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87022, RE: маги-волхвы; Авраам
Послано guest, 23-10-2012 15:54
Визит трех ангелов, странников, таинственных мужей к Аврааму и Сарре, возможно, аналогичен визиту трех волхвов, магов, или царей к Марии и младенцу Иисусу. А в случае Ориона это Зевс, Гермес и Посейдон. Причем подчеркивается чудесность рождения: Сарра находилась в очень преклонном возрасте (св. Елена?), Гирией (имя может напомнить "Ирод") бездетный вдовец (Иосиф Обручник, Плотник). В ВЗ и НЗ переставлены акценты, в НЗ волхвы-мудрецы (из которых один главный, так же как и Зевс и Яхве) поклоняются Марии с младенцем, а в ВЗ скорее Авраам поклоняется, прислуживает путникам-ангелам. Путники кстати затем пошли по направлению к Содому, и вскоре последовало разрушение Содома и Гоморры, несмотря на заступничество Авраама.
По Ноннию, Орион - имеющий трех отцов и мать Гею, т.е. Землю.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrod#The_evil_Nimrod_vs._the_righteous_Abraham
The Bible does not mention any meeting between Nimrod and Abraham, although a confrontation between the two is said to have taken place, according to several Jewish and Islamic traditions. Some stories bring the both together in a cataclysmic collision, seen as a symbol of the confrontation between Good and Evil, and/or as a symbol of monotheism against polytheism. On the other hand, some Jewish traditions say only that the two men met and had a discussion...
In some versions (as in Flavius Josephus), Nimrod is a man who sets his will against that of God. In others, he proclaims himself a god and is worshipped as such by his subjects, sometimes with his consort Semiramis worshipped as a goddess at his side. (See also Ninus.)
A portent in the stars tells Nimrod and his astrologers of the impending birth of Abraham, who would put an end to idolatry. Nimrod therefore orders the killing of all newborn babies. However, Abraham's mother escapes into the fields and gives birth secretly. At a young age, Abraham recognizes God and starts worshiping Him. He confronts Nimrod and tells him face-to-face to cease his idolatry, whereupon Nimrod orders him burned at the stake. In some versions, Nimrod has his subjects gather wood for four whole years, so as to burn Abraham in the biggest bonfire the world had ever seen. Yet when the fire is lit, Abraham walks out unscathed.
In some versions, Nimrod then challenges Abraham to battle. When Nimrod appears at the head of enormous armies, Abraham produces an army of gnats which destroys Nimrod's army. Some accounts have a gnat or mosquito enter Nimrod's brain and drive him out of his mind (a divine retribution which Jewish tradition also assigned to the Roman Emperor Titus, destroyer of the Temple in Jerusalem).
In some versions, Nimrod repents and accepts God, offering numerous sacrifices that God rejects (as with Cain)...
Still other versions have Nimrod persisting in his rebellion against God, or resuming it. Indeed, Abraham's crucial act of leaving Mesopotamia and settling in Canaan is sometimes interpreted as an escape from Nimrod's revenge. Accounts considered canonical place the building of the Tower many generations before Abraham's birth (as in the Bible, also Jubilees); however in others, it is a later rebellion after Nimrod failed in his confrontation with Abraham. In still other versions, Nimrod does not give up after the Tower fails, but goes on to try storming Heaven in person, in a chariot driven by birds.
The story attributes to Abraham elements from the story of Moses' birth (the cruel king killing innocent babies, with the midwives ordered to kill them) and from the careers of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego who emerged unscathed from the fire. Nimrod is thus given attributes of two archetypal cruel and persecuting kings - Nebuchadnezzar and Pharaoh. Some Jewish traditions also identified him with Cyrus whose birth according to Herodotus was accompanied by portents which made his grandfather try to kill him.


Abraham sacrificing his son, Ishmael. Abraham cast into fire by Nimrod

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quando_el_Rey_Nimrod

конфронтация между моно- и политеизмом - возможно отражение борьбы между апостольским и родовым христианством, по реконструкции ФиН, кульминацией борьбы которых была видимо Куликовская битва. Победа Авраама над Нимродом в битве с помощью неких комаров и москитов - видимо применение первого огнестрельного оружия? Преследования Нимродом юного Авраама копируют истории Моисея, Кира, Христа. Имена Нимрод или его варианты и Ирод частично похожи.

Nimrod orders him burned at the stake. In some versions, Nimrod has his subjects gather wood for four whole years, so as to burn Abraham in the biggest bonfire the world had ever seen. Yet when the fire is lit, Abraham walks out unscathed. - приказал сжечь на костре у столба? Собирал дрова 4 года! Видимо отражение заготовок леса, дров для металлургических работ, плавки руды - возможно все это держалось в секрете или преследовалось. Испытание Авраама в огне напоминает историю трех отроков в печи огненной при Навуходоносоре. Возможно, здесь же и мотив воскресения.
Один из комаров-москитов проник в мозг Нимрода и свел его с ума - возможно ранение в голову? С другой стороны и про Навуходоносора известно, что он как бы терял разум.