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"Иоан Клебергер"


  

          

Тема навеяна статьёй А.В. Лантратова
http://new.chronologia.org/volume14/i_kleberger.php

Иоан Клебергер – по ТИ:
родился 6 февраля 1485 г. в Нюрнберге, умер 6 сентября 1546 г. в Лионе
купец и банкир, филантроп, предоставлял кредиты королю Франции Франциску I

Точное имя историки назвать не могут
Варианты -

Jean, Johan, Johannes, Hans ( скорее возможны и другие производные от рус. Иван/Ион/Иан )

Kleberger, Kleeberger, Cleberge, Cleberg, Fleberg, Fleberge ( возможны варианты, не исключено что и без первой согласной буквы )

https://translate.google.ru/translate?hl=ru&sl=fr&tl=ru&u=https%3A%2F%2Ffr.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FJean_Kleberger




Помимо изображений Иоана Клебергера в статье А.В. Лантратова, есть ещё памятник L'HOMME DE LA ROCHE – см.:
http://chronologia.org/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=264&topic_id=128427&mesg_id=129380

Везде Иоан Клебергер предстоит безбородым.
Но есть изображение бородатого Иоана Клебергера – см. скан ниже.

Памятник (известный сегодня) L'HOMME DE LA ROCHE установлен в 1849 году.

Гравюра с бородатым Иоаном Клебергером из издания 1841 г. «Portraits et histoire des hommes…», Jarry de Mancy, Société Montyon et Franklin:
https://books.google.ru/books?id=0w54vz4WAMAC&printsec=frontcover&hl=ru#v=onepage&q&f=false


Цитируя Александра Дюма ( отца 1802 - 1870 ) в книге говорится, что 24 июня 1820 г. ( почему-то Дюма знает точную дату, но не называет имя кому устанавливается памятник ) восстановленная статуя была открыта, но при его визите в Лион в 1835 г. у статуи отсутствовала голова.

Следует отметить, что в 1830, 1848 гг. во Франции происходили революции, приведшие к восстаниям и попыткам переворотов по всей Европе.


П.С.:

Иоан Клебергер был зятем нюрнбергского патриция Уиллибальда Пиркхаймера (Willibald Pirckheimer, 1470 - 1530 гг.) - известный немецкий юрист и гуманист, переводит и публикует древних писателей, банкир, советник Максимилиана I, Карла V, сторонник Мартина Лютера, друг Альбрехта Дюрера.
https://translate.google.ru/translate?hl=ru&sl=fr&tl=ru&u=https%3A%2F%2Ffr.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FJean_Kleberger

Оказывается патриции были и в Древнем Риме и в средневековой Европе ( про средневековье до этого я не знал – вроде, и в школе про это не рассказывали ):
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B8


Albrecht Durer, his wife and friend Willibald Pirckheime - https://yadi.sk/i/4ur799ZO3PPQeJ

https://www.istockphoto.com/ru/%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F/albrecht-durer-his-wife-and-friend-willibald-pirckheimer-gm675247232-123816499?esource=SEO_GIS_CDN_Redirect



Article extrait des «Portraits et Hitoire des Hommes utiles» de Montyon et Franklin - édition 1839 ( https://yadi.sk/i/21WITWfR3PPsTC ) :

https://www.traces-h.net/pnoms/kleberg-jean.html





L'HOMME DE LA ROCHE:

http://www.cparama.com/forum/lyon-l-homme-de-la-roche-t16652.html



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                                                                                                Это, братцы, …ц какой-то!
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                                                                                                     RE: Это, братцы, …ц какой-то!
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                                                                                                          Когда Мудрец показывает солнц...
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                                                                                                               Ответ
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                                                                                                               Лев - это Лев! А Регул - это Регу...
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                                                                                      RE: Регул, Лев и все-все-все
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                                                                                           Об очевидности и фантазиях
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                                                                                                RE: Об очевидности и фантазиях
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                                                                                                     О подгонках и 11 сентября
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                                                                       почему знак Солнца на другой с...
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                                                        Солнце, Лев и Регул с мячиком
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                                                        Солнце в Раке
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                                                        Об окончательном прояснении
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      Дюрер_Герб
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           Дюрер_Могила
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           RE: Дюрер_Герб
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           руки - рога
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           RE: Дюрер_Герб
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                Тёща
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                     RE: Тёща
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                     Псевдоним
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RE: Иоан Клебергер
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разные имена
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      Герб / внуки / Жанна
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Иоан Клебергер - книга
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качество
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      RE: качество
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           RE: качество
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                RE: качество
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                     RE: качество
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                               RE: качество
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                                    RE: качество
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