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29581, Сплайны Стефенсона уже не удовлетворяют возросших потре Послано guest, 17-07-2006 18:36
Предлагается заменить их испорченными часами древних и традиционно экзотической вавилонской погодой.
J M Steele, Ptolemy, Babylon and the rotation of the Earth, Astronomy and Geophysics 46, 2005.
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1468-4004.2005.46511.x
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29582, RE: Сплайны Стефенсона уже не удовлетворяют возросших п Послано Markab, 19-07-2006 12:10
Абстракт это хорошо, но не могли бы Вы сбросить саму статью?
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29583, RE: Сплайны Стефенсона уже не удовлетворяют возросших п Послано guest, 20-07-2006 12:39
По ссылке должен открываться pdf самой статьи (у меня открылся), а не абстракт. На всякий случай, повторю линк
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1468-4004.2005.46511.x
А это уже следующая производная:
http://uk.arxiv.org/PS_cache/physics/pdf/0607/0607137.pdf
Подгонка - вещь многотрудная, требует многих гитик.
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29584, RE: Сплайны Стефенсона уже не удовлетворяют возросших п Послано Markab, 20-07-2006 13:12
>По ссылке должен открываться pdf самой статьи (у меня открылся), а не абстракт. У меня открывается только абстракт с предложением купить статью за 39$.
>А это уже следующая производная: >http://uk.arxiv.org/PS_cache/physics/pdf/0607/0607137.pdf >Подгонка - вещь многотрудная, требует многих гитик. Этот файл я загрузил. Спасибо, почитаем.
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29585, RE: Сплайны Стефенсона уже не удовлетворяют возросших п Послано guest, 20-07-2006 17:18
Понял. Полные астрономические тексты только для серъезных небожителей. Я скопировал pdf, но не знаю, как его прицепить или прислать? Кое-что про вавилонские увязки и утряски есть тут: http://www.tyndale.cam.ac.uk/egypt/ptolemies/chron/babylonian/chron_bab_anl.htm
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29586, PS Послано guest, 20-07-2006 18:16
Существует регулярный способ достать статьи к которым у вас нет доступа. Вы просто пишете e-mail
Dear Professor Steele, Unfortunately, we are not subscribed to such and such journal. I'd be very greatful if you could send me your paper ....to such and such address. best wishes, целую в засос, Акимов
Можете выдать сколь угодно длинный список, или просто попросить эту и все релевантные статьи. Люди обычно с большим удовольствием избавляются от препринтов. Хоть кто-то интересуется.
e-mail Steele'a :
j.m.steele@durham.ac.uk
Он теперь в Дураме вместо пенсионера Стефенсона.
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29587, RE: Сплайны Стефенсона уже не удовлетворяют возросших п Послано guest, 22-07-2006 23:11
http://www.chat.ru/~staff2/etut.zip
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29588, RE: Сплайны Стефенсона уже не удовлетворяют возросших п Послано guest, 20-07-2006 22:31
Onthe Available Lunarand Solar Eclipses and Baby lonian Chronology 1 2 V.G.Gurzadyan and D.A. Warburton (1) ICRA, University of Rome “La Sapienza”, Italy and Yerevan Physics Institute, Armenia; (2) University of Aarhus, Denmark (Published in Akkadica, v.126 (2005) p.195.) The recently shown two premises (Gurzadyan 2000), i.e. the absence of 56/64 year Venus cycle constraints, at the importance of the 8-year cycle in the Venus Tablet, stimulated new studies on the Chronology of the Ancient Near East (2nd millennium BC). The analysis by B.Banjevic using both premises, however, did not provide anchors of strenght similar to those of Ur IIIeclipses, whileavailable solar eclipses lack unambiguouslinkstohistorica events. The Ultra-Low chronology (Gasche et al 1998), therefore, has to be considered as currently the one most reliably based on ancient astronomica records. There are two premises at the base of Boris Banjevic’s (2005) chrono- logical analysis. The first is that chronological proposals can no longer be legitimately constrained by 56/64 Venus-cycles (which are the base of the High, Middle and Low chronologies previously recognized), as these cycles cannot be reliably established in the existing sources. The second premise is that the 8-year cycles can be extracted from the Venus Tablet. Both premises were shown in our work (Gurzadyan 2000). Based on the historical records, the Ultra-Low chronology (Gasche et al 1998) satisfied the 8-year Venus cycle condition, which is recognized by all concerned. Furthermore, this was independently anchored via the lunar eclipses, and thus with complementary astronomical sources linked to thecondition of the interval between the eclipses known from historical sources. It was the final phase information of the records of the Ur III lunar eclipses of EAE 20 IIIAand EAE 21 XII, includingboth the watch times and thead- ditional condition in EAE20 IIIBaboutthe”weakly shiningstars”(showing the absolute importance of the exit information), which allowed the chronol- ogy to be fixed precisely. In contrast to this procedure, Banjevic does notprovide any newanchors of similar strength. To discuss ?T in order to fit the lunar eclipse of -1960 of twilight to the second Ur III eclipse seems unreasonable in principle, particularly given the absence of an alternative link to historical events. Furthermore, e.g., the recently reported lunar eclipse of -382 seems to pose new problems for our understanding of ?T (Steele, 2005). Thus this subtle issue must be approached cautiously. Individual solar eclipses, as discussed previously in the literature, can hardly act as anchors, without unambiguous information associating to his- tory. Similarly, the Assur Solar eclipse of -1764 even though compatible to Ultra-Low chronology (una?ected by ?T!), has never been used as a crucial argument for the latter. As an astrophysicist, one of us (V.G.) only commented on astronomical aspects, where it would seem that additional astronomical support compat- ible with the historical givens should be expected. Making a contribution in this respect requires an interdisciplinary e?ort combining a profound knowledge of texts, language, religion, history and archaeology. Thus, caution might be advised when placing too much con- fidence in statistical probabilities aligned with some possible correlations. Banjevic highlights the di?culties in noting that even according to his own interpretation (which need not correspond to the calculations of others), his proposal involves a discrepancy of ”only 3 years” with respect to the Assyr- ian Distanzangaben. In fact, however, the size of the gap is immaterial, as it demonstrates (as Eder 2004 has already shown) that the Distanzangaben are not compatible with any known astronomical data - even Banjevic’s. References BANJEVIC, B., 2005, Akkadica, 126, 169. EDER, Ch., 2004 : ”Assyrische Distanzangaben und die Chronologie Vorderasiens”, Altorientalische Forschungen 31, 191-236. Gasche et al 1998 = GASCHE, H., ARMSTRONG, J.A., COLE, S.W.,GURZADYAN, V.G., 1998 : Dating the Fall of Babylon. A Reap- praisalofSecond-MillenniumChronology(=MHEM4), Ghent, Chicago. GURZADYAN, V.G., 2000 : On the Astronomical Records and Baby- lonian Chronology, Just in Time. Proceedings of the International Colloquium on Ancient Near Eastern Chronology (2nd Millennium BC). Ghent 7-9 July 2000 (= Akkadica 119-120), Bruxelles, 177-186; physics/0311035. STEELE, J., 2005 : Ptolemy, Babylon and the Rotation of the Earth, Astronomy & Geophysics 46, 5.11-5.15.
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