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09-12-2019 22:23 Владиmir З

          

>КНЯЗЬ СЛАВЯН НОВГОРОДСКИЙ
>.. Так он завоевал землю Скандинавскую, пленил столичный их
>город Сигтуну, из которого в знак победы вывез одни
>медные городские ворота весьма хитрого дела….
>А незадолго до смерти своей лишился зрения и на пути из
>Скандинавии в столицу свою в глубокой старости на левом берегу
>реки Мсты помер. Над могилою его дружины его
>пригоршнями насыпали великий курган земли и украсили
>его трофеями.


Даже ваша википедия (оплот защиты липовой традиционной "истории") пишет, что ворота были ЯКОБЫ похищены. Это значит, что в рядах историков согласья нет. равно как нет его и по поводу их происхождения. Вы хоть читаете те ссылки, которые приводите.
И почему только я обратил внимание на дату, когда ваш объект вообще появился в истории?
Впервые двери придела Рождества Богоматери упоминаются XVIII веке в описях Софийского собора
Только начиная с этой даты можно уверенно говорить об их появлении.
Правильно ФиН пишут, что вы, историки, не видите разницы между историей (реальными событиями) и историей написанной на бумаге. Для вас это одно и то же.

А с учетом, что летописи редактировлаись вплоть до Екатерины II, лдокажите, что эти ворота изначально не были сделаны для этого города (1 версия), а потом уже про них не составлена зажигательная история про г Сигтуну и перевоз его на Волхов. А может они были перевезены из Великого Новгорода на Волге (2 версия)?

  

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                                                                  второй день в ожидании
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                                                                  Устюжский летописный свод
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                                                                            Зачем писать о том, чего не зна...
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                                                                                 RE: Прокомментируйте
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                                                                                 RE: Прокомментируйте
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                                                                                      Основания
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                                                                                                     Фундаментальные законы
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                                                                            RE: Устюжский летописный свод
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                                                                                 RE: Устюжский летописный свод
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                                                                                           Мечтать не вредно
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                                                                            на клевету
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                                                                                 RE: на клевету
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                                                                                      RE: на клевету
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                                                                       И еще одна странность, которая...
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                                                                                 RE: И еще одна странность
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                                              RE: Торговые пути
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                               RE: Масштабные раскопки
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                          RE: Масштабные раскопки
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                     Отвечаю
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                     RE: Отвечаю
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                     ....
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                     Вопрос читали?
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                          А Вы?
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                               Летописный,богатый и торговый
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                                    Сравнивать надо не количество...
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                                         RE: Сравнивать надо
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                                              RE: Сравнивать надо
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                                              Ага, им ковер - цветочная полян...
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                     Специально для Мистера
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                          RE: Специально для Мистера
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                               RE: Специально для Мистера
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                               RE: Специально для Мистера
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                                    Это..
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                                    Что дают печати?
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                               Есть такая профессия - редакти...
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                                    RE: Есть такая профессия - редак...
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                                         RE: Есть такая профессия - редак...
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                                              И не только эти
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